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Richard Curtis @
Tuesday, June 26, 2007 2:09 PM
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Jones Report has a story out 6/26/07 on this video claiming that Mineta confirmed that Cheney ordered a stand-down. I do not hear Mineta saying that and now am concerned about what Jones Report is doing. Does anyone have any thoughts about or insights into this.
The Jones Report story can be found here:
http://www.jonesreport.com/articles/260607_mineta.html
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JB @
Tuesday, June 26, 2007 3:14 PM
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Wow, what a great video. It proves...absolutely nothing, except that some people have way too much free time on their hands and an overactive imagination.
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Host @
Tuesday, June 26, 2007 3:22 PM
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Richard, I have checked the Jones report and there is nothing there about Mineta saying there was a stand down order. In fact they do not mis represent anything that is not on the tape that Bob submitted. I don't know if they have revised it or you have mis-read it. Give it another look
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Host @
Tuesday, June 26, 2007 3:39 PM
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JB,
While I agree that the Mineta interview did not reveal anything dramatic about that morning
except that it appreared as though Mineta did not know about the offical story.
I disagree with your statement that it doesn't prove anything except that people have too much time on there hands and an overactive imagination.
What it does prove is that we have people with the courage and commitment to go out and try to get new information. It proves that even if nothing "New" comes out, we will try again. That is what we are about. That is what this video is about.
You have every right to your opinion but we have agreed that we will treat each other with respect, especially on-line. That means you should keep your insulting comments to yourself until you can offer constructive criticism or you will be barred from participating in our communty forums.
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bob @
Tuesday, June 26, 2007 4:48 PM
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If anyone has forgotten Mr. Minetas testimony I would watch it again,most of it was ommited from the final report.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bDfdOwt2v3Y
In Minetas testimony they are clearly talking about the Pentagon.
Pay attention to the timeline in the testimony and the timeline in the official report and timeline in the video here. The official report claims Cheney did not arrive til 9:58 after the pentagon was hit. Mineta contradicts this.
http://digg.com/world_news/Norman_Mineta_Confirms_That_Dick_Cheney_Ordered_Stand_Down_on_9_11
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Host @
Tuesday, June 26, 2007 5:59 PM
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I have found that JB was not a registered member of our group but was able to post a comment because I had left an option "Anonomous Comments" checked. I have removed the option so that only registered members may post comments.
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Gabriel A King @
Saturday, June 30, 2007 5:15 AM
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Minetta. I don't think it takes a masters degree to put this one together. So I will try. Minetta witnessed the young officer approach Chaney 3 times, telling Chaney the current distance of the plane from it's intended target, the Pentagram(scuse me I meant gon). Finally, the irritated Chaney barked, "of course the order stands". There are 5 anti aircraft batteries protecting the Pentagon. None were used. And no fighters were scrambled to intercept violating basic defense protocols, despite plenty of advanced notice. So the "order" as Chaney said, was NOT to shoot down the supposed airliner. It WAS CLEARLY to allow whatever was coming to hit it's target unabated. Which included an investigation committee's office. And what of the 100 cameras around the Pentagon? And still not one shot of a airliner?
This occult shadow government is a smoke & mirrors show. Grove/Skullnbones.
The fact that the young officer kept speaking to Chaney denotes his confusion and concern regarding the in bound signature. And the failure to scramble fighters, isn't cause some "monitor boy" fell asleep covered in a bag of potato chips while nursing a Dr. Pepper. Fighters are normally scrambled within less than 10 minutes of an FAA call. 4 planes were supposedly hi-jacked. What happened to standard procedure?
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Gabriel A King @
Saturday, June 30, 2007 5:34 AM
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And as far as a vocal "Stand down order" goes, of course they wouldn't say it!!!!!!
These are the same people who call black white, FEMA death camps "freedom camps", domestic surveilance a "Patriot act", and genocide "liberation".
The stand down order was UNSPOKEN, and the order was given by what was NOT SAID. In other words, by NOT ordering fighters scrambled to intercept, according to standard procedure, IS AN ORDER TO STAND DOWN.
The pilots in the air force follow orders. It isn't a movie like Top Gun where cocky renegade hot shots make their own moves. Everything is a tight knit chain of command.
What Minetta overheard was Cheney confirming an order to do nothing, which is exactly what happened. But when the two most powerful puppets in America are named Dick and Bush, we'll, you get the picture.
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winston84 @
Saturday, June 30, 2007 1:13 PM
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Well, I will disagree with you about the stand down order. I am ex-Navy. SOP are followed without order. I direct countermand order such as "stand down!" or similar would interrupt the execution of SOP. The timeline would have to include either a direct order sometime soon before Mineta arrived (so he did not hear it) or a standing order made at some point (possibly days or weeks in advance) to cease application of SOP and only act upon direct order from person or persons listed in such a standing order.
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kfkonrad @
Sunday, July 01, 2007 9:40 PM
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Good points Gabriel, but I think that Winston's explanation is more accurate.
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Gabriel A King @
Monday, July 02, 2007 3:52 PM
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Winston. The plot thickens. What you say makes sense, and since you are ex military, you probably understand this stuff a little better than me. It is clear that SOP was not followed on 911. And this could only be because of an order, or lack of an order, or a botch up in the chain of command. The governement uses the excuse that they were running similar drills that day. Hmm. That's funny. London bombings said the same thing. Running drills. Got confused.
Bull Pucky. The odds are a billion to one of that. And Mohammed Atta drank, did cocaine, ran cocaine, and liked strip clubs. Is that the profile of a Muslim extreme Jihadist? Nope. But I will bet Atta knows where the Mena drop site was.
If there was a stand down order, we didn't know about it. But the fact that no fighters were scrambled against SOP verifies some kind of stand down. As Winston said, most likely an order at some point. And Chaney did acknowledge that there was an order.
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Gabriel A King @
Monday, July 02, 2007 3:59 PM
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Another thing is, how do the fighters know to scramble unless someone notifies them? Maybe most of our defense fighters just didn't even know what was going on until it was too late. I don't know. But I will bet some of our fighter pilots do. I wish they would speak out, and tell the truth about 911.
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