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| 05/12/2008 12:38 AM |
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Ben Collette, the current organizer of the 911TruthSeattle.org Group and the ower of the domain name has worked hard to gain a visible local cable TV presence for the 9/11 Truth Community. He is now decided to show videos that supports the No Planes theory. Ben is well aware that others in our group do not agree with or support this theory but since he is control of the programing he has decided that it is he that chooses what is good to share.
This is wrong. Even if Ben can get a majority of the only 10-12 people in Seattle willing to come to the meeting to raise their hands doesn't qualify him as a good Public Relations agent for the movement as a whole. |
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| 05/12/2008 10:32 AM |
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Those who publicly promote the "no planes theory" are either oblivious of the steps backward that this takes the 9/11 truth movement or FULLY AWARE of the sabotage of gains made in bringing credibility to 9/11 truth efforts. Wake up, Ben Collette, to the damage that the "no planes theory" is causing. You either know not what you do--or know full well what "no planes theory" does to our movement in the public arena. I don't know you, Ben. I do have my suspicions about your real intentions with this promotion of "no planes theory" which surely derails progress in bringing credibility to our efforts. The attention this will bring by mainstream media will put us back a couple of years. |
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| 05/12/2008 2:37 PM |
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With all due respect for Ben, I sincerely hope he reconsideres his position. I've only been preaching the need for a new investigation publicly for about 6 months now, but most of my co-workers and neighbors are quick to jump to the crazy 'conspiracy theorist' label and point to trivial statements as proof that all 911 Truthers are unstable. Whereas its important to not deny anyone their free speech, 911 Truthers must constantly fight for our credibility and we will not succeed in getting a critical mass of voters if we don't have some policy guidelines on what is put forward to the public. I fear that Mike may be an 'indicator species' of how public pursuit of any unsupported theory will result in a perspective of declining credibility to the general citizenry. In addition, I fail to understand why it would be important to publicly propose unsupportable theories when there are plenty of clear examples of why we need an unbiased investigation. Scott - Bellingham |
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| 05/12/2008 5:07 PM |
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| Ben Collette: CIANSAFBIMOSSAD (wittingly or not)? |
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| 05/12/2008 11:20 PM |
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KISS -- Keep It Simple, Sam
What is the core set onto which a consensus can be built? Please permit me to get it started.
1) Explosions brought down the three towers.
A. It doesn't matter whether or not any planes hit WTC1 and WTC2 -- it was explosions that brought down all three buildings.
B. It doesn't matter what kind of explosives were used.
C. It doesn't matter whether or not a missile was fired into WTC2 for "shock and awe" effect.
2. ...
What I'm getting at is to avoid the minutia. Stick with a limited set of items that can be proved, and on which all sincere 9/11 truthers can agree.
Assume that there will be government agents who will try to tear a group apart. Accept that some folks are jerks, whose only interest in the 9/11 truth movement is ego inflation. |
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Ben (guest)
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| 05/15/2008 1:14 PM |
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First of all let's get my name right, it's Ben Collet, not Collette. Secondly, I'm not a mossad, cia or any other kind of government agent. I'm simply someone who wants to know the truth about what happened on 9-11, and I see nothing to be gained, and a great deal to be lost, by curbing free investigation at this point.
Mike apparently thinks that not only does he know what did or did not happen, but that he should be the one to decide what areas of inquiry are permissable and which ones are not. I realize this mistaken faith in censorship is also shared by the national leadership of 911Truth.org, as well as the majority of truthers, but that does not make it correct. In fact it is profoundly misguided.
I and those of us who support free inquiry, and who also find the research of Judy Wood and the no-planers to be valuable, have actively initiated and supported appearances by a good number of researchers here, even if they weren't no-planers. We would like the same consideration given to us.
There are a number of other important points to be made on this subject, but let's first see if Mike is going to allow comments critical of his actions. |
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Ben (guest)
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| 05/15/2008 1:17 PM |
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First of all let's get my name right, it's Ben Collet, not Collette. Secondly, I'm not a mossad, cia or any other kind of government agent. I'm simply someone who wants to know the truth about what happened on 9-11, and I see nothing to be gained, and a great deal to be lost, by curbing free investigation at this point.
Mike apparently thinks that not only does he know what did or did not happen, but that he should be the one to decide what areas of inquiry are permissable and which ones are not. I realize this mistaken faith in censorship is also shared by the national leadership of 911Truth.org, as well as the majority of truthers, but that does not make it correct. In fact it is profoundly misguided.
I and those of us who support free inquiry, and who also find the research of Judy Wood and the no-planers to be valuable, have actively initiated and supported appearances by a good number of researchers here, even if they weren't no-planers. We would like the same consideration given to us.
There are a number of other important points to be made on this subject, but let's first see if Mike is going to allow comments critical of his actions. |
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Ben (guest)
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| 05/15/2008 1:18 PM |
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First of all let's get my name right, it's Ben Collet, not Collette. Secondly, I'm not a mossad, cia or any other kind of government agent. I'm simply someone who wants to know the truth about what happened on 9-11, and I see nothing to be gained, and a great deal to be lost, by curbing free investigation at this point.
Mike apparently thinks that not only does he know what did or did not happen, but that he should be the one to decide what areas of inquiry are permissable and which ones are not. I realize this mistaken faith in censorship is also shared by the national leadership of 911Truth.org, as well as the majority of truthers, but that does not make it correct. In fact it is profoundly misguided.
I and those of us who support free inquiry, and who also find the research of Judy Wood and the no-planers to be valuable, have actively initiated and supported appearances by a good number of researchers here, even if they weren't no-planers. We would like the same consideration given to us.
There are a number of other important points to be made on this subject, but let's first see if Mike is going to allow comments critical of his actions. |
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| 05/15/2008 1:18 PM |
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First of all let's get my name right, it's Ben Collet, not Collette. Secondly, I'm not a mossad, cia or any other kind of government agent. I'm simply someone who wants to know the truth about what happened on 9-11, and I see nothing to be gained, and a great deal to be lost, by curbing free investigation at this point.
Mike apparently thinks that not only does he know what did or did not happen, but that he should be the one to decide what areas of inquiry are permissable and which ones are not. I realize this mistaken faith in censorship is also shared by the national leadership of 911Truth.org, as well as the majority of truthers, but that does not make it correct. In fact it is profoundly misguided.
I and those of us who support free inquiry, and who also find the research of Judy Wood and the no-planers to be valuable, have actively initiated and supported appearances by a good number of researchers here, even if they weren't no-planers. We would like the same consideration given to us.
There are a number of other important points to be made on this subject, but let's first see if Mike is going to allow comments critical of his actions. |
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| 05/16/2008 7:19 AM |
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Posted By n/a on 05/12/2008 11:20 PM
KISS -- Keep It Simple, Sam
What is the core set onto which a consensus can be built? Please permit me to get it started.
1) Explosions brought down the three towers.
EXPLOSIONS doesn't mean EXPLOSIVES. The beam weapon that was used to
destroy the twin towers caused an explosion. (And it matters).
A. It doesn't matter whether or not any planes hit WTC1 and WTC2 -- it was explosions that brought down all three buildings.
B. It doesn't matter what kind of explosives were used.
C. It doesn't matter whether or not a missile was fired into WTC2 for "shock and awe" effect.
2. ...
What I'm getting at is to avoid the minutia. Stick with a limited set of items that can be proved, and on which all sincere 9/11 truthers can agree.
Assume that there will be government agents who will try to tear a group apart. Accept that some folks are jerks, whose only interest in the 9/11 truth movement is ego inflation.
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| 05/16/2008 3:11 PM |
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Wow. Sorry I missed the meeting and my chance to support Michael. It is reckless to place theories above facts in the pursuit of what really happened on 9/11. The fact is that there was a massive government cover up and a bogus story fed to the public. Advancing unprovable theories about what really happened is not only counter productive, it is destructive to the movement (as you can see). Solidly in your corner, Michael. |
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| 05/16/2008 4:36 PM |
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Ben I apologize for mispelling your name. It was not intentional and no disrespect was intended.
Now as for your statement ...
Mike apparently thinks that not only does he know what did or did not happen, but that he should be the one to decide what areas of inquiry are permissable and which ones are not. I realize this mistaken faith in censorship is also shared by the national leadership of 911Truth.org, as well as the majority of truthers, but that does not make it correct. In fact it is profoundly misguided.
For the record, I don't think that I know what did or didn't happen. I think of the volumes of information available prove to me that the official story is a lie. I will admit that the evidence, testimony and hypothesis' that is promoted by the "National Leadership of 911Truth.org, as well as the majority of thruthers" sound the most credible and persuasive. Since I want a new investigation it makes since to use the most credible and presuasive information when promoting public events.
As for me thinking that I "should be the one to decide what areas of inquire are permisable and which ones are not"... this is bullshit. Everyone should inquire into whatever they want. In fact the "MAJORITY OF TRUTHERS" have inquired into both the No-Plane and Energy-Beam weapons and we are not buying it! In fact we all agree that it is damaging to the work of everyone else is doing trying to convince citizens that have not yet come into contact with the Truth Issues.
Anyone who steps up to share information with the public in order to change our government take on a larger responsibility. Ben, you, decided that you should PUBLICLY PROMOTE theories that the "MAJORITY OF TRUTHERS" find are unbelievable.
I am saying that I will not support in any way that PUBLIC PROMOTION.
Ben uses the dreaded "Censorship" word in his attack on me. This is a common ploy for anyone who wants to gain support for those who feel disenfranchised. "Don't let the MAN shut you up!" I am not censoring Ben or the No-Planers. I simply refuse to support the public promotion of theories that the MAJORITY OF TRUTHERS think are harmful.
It is Ben and the 5 people who showed up at the last meeting and voted to promote Judy Wood under the banner of "911TruthSeattle.org" that think they know better than the MAJORITY OF TRUTHERS what is best.
Then Ben, without any meeting to discuss it, posted an advertisement on the front page of the website that we was going to show "September Clues" the ultimate No-Planers video.
Who is it that thinks they should control the direction of Public Information and Activism?
What happens when new people go to these websites and find that they viciously attach the information and motives of THE MAJORITY OF TRUTHERS?
Inclosing, I am aware that Ben has been kicked of most of the 9/11 Truth forums because he is an arguer. There is a saying: "Never wrestle with a pig. You both get dirty, and the pig likes it" I don't plan on wasting more time on him.
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| 05/16/2008 5:34 PM |
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I am sorry, but there just is not enough wreckage and I just do not believe that planes distengrate that much. I am not a shill, I believe that the Federal Government (rogue elements of the FBI, CIA, NSA, Secret Service, Etc.) and the MOSSAD were completeley behind 9/11. You can look at hundreds of crashes and there is always more wreckage, also the main reason that they confiscated footabe is because it showed the unmarked white (military has used there for many, many years!) aircraft firing a missile into the pentagon then flying right over it and landing at the nearby Chair-Force (notice how the air force is always selling out Americans!) base!! There could be any muber of reasons for them to use a missile and not a plane... they assume there would be no footage since they control security and anything anyone starts to talk about on the phone would quickly let them know where to start their spin control and focus attention. We all know that Flight 93 was shot down, and did not crash, and the wreckage was strewn across a large distance. Even in the small area the whole plane would not distenagrate into almost nothing. Personally I do not care if others believe this or not, I am using my military experience and what I know about missile and planes from the military all taught to me by the military. Also If I see any replies about a mispelling, typo, or grammer mistake then YOU are the shill. I am also not calling anyone names for what they believe, so please do not call me any and just have respect for other peoples views. Also, regardless of if there was a plane or not, over 4,000 people were killed by this false-flag terror event (I say over 4000 because over 500 rescue workers have died of illnesses they have contracted during the rescue work!) that was perpetrated by the US government with the help of the MOSSAD to change legislation in the US and to make Big Oil and Weapons contractors, Haliburton, KBR, etc. more money in contracts! Oh, by the way all that oil, Israel gets it!!! Ha! Spiff |
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| 05/16/2008 6:21 PM |
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Real 9/11 Truthers need to distance themselves from the no-planers and NOT work together with them. The no-plane theory is easily debunked and is clearly disinformation to discredit the progress made by the truth movement. There are plenty of no-planers who are NOT disinfo agents, they are just gullible and believe poorly made films like September Clues. Regardless, when people promote that theory they are doing the job of a disinfo agent and that`s why that BS was created in the first place. I support the decision to distance yourself from this information that ONLY HURTS THE TRUTH MOVEMENT. NO GOOD THINGS COME FROM TALKING ABOUT NO PLANES. Watch ``September Clues Busted`` |
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| 05/17/2008 2:06 AM |
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There is no science let alone 'real' video footage from 911 to support the official story that 4 COMMERCIAL aircraft were used on 911. I did see 'September Clues' and the counter version called 'September Clues Busted.' I would definitely side with the former as Lawson's version defied science and logic. I wonder who he is working for, or maybe he has a huge ego full of manure. Lawson accuses the SC author of video fakery. I would say that Lawson has at least 2 shots that are forged (inserted objects), and uses them as proof of COMMERCIAL planes. This topic can be discussed for hours so I will just describe a few items that tell me as a former aerospace engineer that Lawson is lying to the public. 1. No COMMERCIAL aircraft will stay intact through these WTC towers and go out the other end. It is IMPOSSIBLE. Even at the quoted official 30,000 foot cruising speed of over 500 mph. The nose is especially fragile as it is encased in a type of plastic to house the sensitive navigational and sensor equipment. The less metal the better. Even a COMMERCIAL aircraft skin is about 0.1 inches thick. A COMMERCIAL aircraft would crumple, vaporize and/or fall into pieces as soon as it met the 3-13 inch thick steel columns. Steel always wins over aluminum. Image firing a solid aluminum (if it somehow did not vaporize out of the barrel) bullet into even an equally thick plate of steel. Now image the reverse...steel bullet into a plate of aluminum...easy right? 2. There was not 8 legitimate Boeing engines found during 911. Every and I mean every aircraft accident will recover major fragments of a jet engine. Here we are talking about 8! and nothing found. Yes there were supposedly 2 that were really plants that appeared as Boing 757 and 767 engines...for another discussion. |
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