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12/20/2007 10:46 PM  

One of my coworkers has stated for some time that he thought 911 was an inside job.  I've always had some theories, but never thought that the two towers were brought down by controlled demolition.  And I never even heard of building 7!  I started doing some research lately, and I saw a video from Architects and Engineers for 9/11 Truth http://www.ae911truth.org/.

It focused on building 7 and gave information from an engineering perspective.  As an engineer, I haven't been able to take conspiracy seriously, until I learned what leading scientists have learned and what the government has told us (or decided not to tell us).

Now that I am aware of the demolitions, I'm in a state of shock, and I need to do my part for this country.  I would like to volunteer my services for activist work, I wish I had known about this sooner, but now that I know the things that I would like to do:

Have the printable material on this site expanded to include information from ae911truth, and through out the year I would like to work with others to hand out literature and to place fliers in public places urging people to google not only 911 truth, but to research the demolition of building 7, and become familiar with the hard evidence from the engineering perspective.  I believe in starting small and that small accomplishments, like printing and handing out fliers and DVDs, and I'm anxious to get started.  I'll appreciate all of those that wish to work with me to get the word out.

My personal focus - building 7, nothing else.  There is no way other than controlled demolition that this building could have collapsed at free fall speed.

Thank you very much for this site.

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12/21/2007 8:41 AM  

Hi Paul,

Welcome to the Seattle Truth Movement.  It is always good to hear peoples "Ah-Ha" moment when something clicks for them personally.  You may be interested to know that there is a movement afoot to bring Richard Gage to town for a speaking engagement.

If you are interested in getting involved email me and I will forward your email to the person who is organizing the event.

Have you looked at the www.911TruthForBeginners.org website.  It has a good overview of all of the events.  I would love your feedback as a relatively new person.

Mike


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12/22/2007 10:40 AM  

Good for you Paul.  Your summary is much like my story.  Many of the 9/11 discrepencies are rather vauge and seem to be red herrings.  However I don't know how anyone with a good mechanical aptitude can look closely at the collapse of WTC7 and agree it suddenly collapsed by fire damage.  Richard Gage does an excellent job of presenting the facts without wild speculations.

I also had many concerns about 9/11 inaccuracies but accepted the story that there was a weak design in the towers that allowed the 'pancake collapse' scenario.  Of course once you realize that WTC7 was a completely different design but still miraculously crumbled at virtual free fall speed, it prompts another look at the towers.

I think most ordinary people can't get past the hurdle of motivation.  While I don't want to start another red herring, I can easily envision a small group of highly placed individuals that honestly thought they were making our country stronger overall by galvanizing the public in a new military campaign to make the middle east (and their resources) more compliant with our needs. I don't think there was actually an intent of treason, but simply Psy-Ops.  But enough of my speculations.

The important thing is that knowledgeable folks are starting to look at the actual evidence and realize that they must call attention to the possibility that the 9/11 turning point in our history may be misguided. The health of our democracy is at stake and if we continue to neglect it, it will not survive. 

Richard Gage likewise inspired me to stand up and speak out in my own humble way ( Ref. 911truthbham.org ).  I may actually help bring him to the NW area for public talks, but details are still being worked out.  If it develops, Richard would most likely give a talk in Seattle, but I'm not sure if there's enough folks to help that along yet.

I live and work in Bellingham. My concept is to arrange a presentation by Richard here and invite all the architects and engineers in the area, drawing them in with an offer that if they can clearly debunk a key point of Richard's presentation on WTC7, they would get a cash reward of $100.  I believe this may draw in more of the target audience.

Thanks for letting me ramble on about myself.  It is truly a pleasure to hear from intelligent people with similar thoughts.

Kind regards, Scott Thompson 911cynic@openaccess.org

 

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12/23/2007 2:27 AM  

Scott, thanks for the post.  I will help in any way I can to get Gage to Seattle and to pack the event.  I think I can get Microsoft to host the event, I can get hundreds of engineers to show up.

Likewise I believe that 9/11 was a psy-ops, and this may sound twisted but they failed to do a thorough job, and I'm shocked after seeing Gage's presentation at several things.  It seems that the agencies responsible got carried away, and I have no clue how they thought they would get away with building 7. 

I do understand the psy-ops, and for that they get an A+, it was perfectly effective.  A friend recommended reading a book called 'the shock doctrine', I believe it has to deal with pulling a fast one on people during time of crisis.  I understand this after reading a book called 'the Emotion Machine' by Marvin Minsky, although it's about Artificial Intelligence, he states that emotions are something that activates and deactivates resources in our brain, and changes the way we think.  And what we feel will dictate what we believe.

One of my favorite 911 sites right now is http://www.911videos.net/ - the very first video is called '7 days in September', and shows footage of people in New York on the week of 9/11, and it shows the emotion of the people.  Fear, Anger, Sorrow, and lots of other negative emotions, all perfectly controlled by this psy-op.  It made me sad to see all the people covered in dust, emotionally charged, calling for war and bombing, and to know that they were suffering for a reason, controlled like robots.

When I was very young I bit my self and showed my grandma the marks, and told her my sister did it.  She then bit my sister.  That lie worked out very well, I played her emotions and she did what I wanted. 

Although I am saddened after learning what really happened to building 7, and the tremendous loss of life that day and after (cancer, war), there is a bright side, if what really happened does get exposed, the world will be a much better without the deception and lies, like the 5 year old biting himself, its actually better to be honest in the long run!  If the truth comes to light, I have alot of hope for this country. If it doesn't, then the future will become very very dark, and very dangerous.  The government will murder thousands of more american people on american soil.  And the government could very well launch another biological attack, or perhaps nuclear.   I agree that our democracy is at jeapordy, serious jeapordy.

Paul

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