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| RE: Hello, I am the Website Host and Sponsor | | by Muddyw67 02/02/2008 8:26 PM | | Hello and greetings from a friend and neighbour from Toronto I first was very skeptical about the allegations that 9/11 was an inside job but became convinced after watching Barry Zwickers doc on T... | | RE: Turning point? | | by rkwlamb 01/09/2008 1:20 AM | | For me the realization came in 2006 when I read David Ray Griffin's "The Myth and the Reality" on the 9/11 truth website. I'd first discovered the website when I searched online for Kevin Barrett, who... | | RE: Strategy and Content | | by Host 11/29/2007 6:34 AM | | Hi zechariah, Thanks for the offer. Unfortunately I am leaving the country tommorrow on vacation and I won't be back for 11 days so I will not be able to follow up with you until I return and I am... | | RE: Strategy and Content | | by zechariah 11/29/2007 6:09 AM | | I would like to offer my skills in the area of advanced Graphical User Interface design (GUI). A GUI is any type of PC interface/software which makes it possible for the user to interact with PC c... | | RE: Molten steel? | | by Boomerscout 09/30/2007 9:58 PM | | Something looks fishy about that photo. For one thing, it's hard to tell what the glowing material is. It almost looks thin enough to be a sheet of paper. And then you have the light immed... | | aya | | by ripfather 09/21/2007 9:48 AM | | radioblitz.net is a new site in the 911 world. They are trying to stage an event where sevral hundred people call the same radio talk show on the same day and ask questions...
bleh check it out if yo... | | Molten steel? | | by daybrown 09/20/2007 11:55 PM | | Take a look at this photo:
http://www.911myths.com/assets/images/molten_steel.jpg
I'll try to attach it.
Anyway, I agree the steel is not molten. However: I've had machine shop training, worked in ... | | New here. | | by Phil J 09/18/2007 9:04 PM | | Hello from Virginia Beach.
Don't have a lot of time right now, but will have much to say, later. And I will be saying it! | | RE: I'm terrified | | by tedderbear 09/15/2007 6:49 AM | | Hello to all, It is so good to read the the thoughts of like minded people after running into so many difficulties in my own little personal crusade to get the word out to as many people as possible. ... | | RE: I'm terrified | | by spiriteagle9 09/09/2007 3:58 AM | | I thank the Good Lord Above that you're awake now!!!
Now, if we could just somehow get the rest of the Amercian people to wake up, what a wonderful World it would be!!!
Ever since the very day... | | hello | | by sizeT 08/28/2007 3:14 AM | | I live in vancouver wa and i have seen you guys on the over pass on sat in p - town =) I have had knowledge of the pending police state since 97 people in our group at that time posted martial law... | | RE: I clicked the "add new topic" button | | by eb56 08/13/2007 1:44 AM | | Here is an argument(s) from a broader perspective, involving 9/11, Iraq War, War on Terror, & Bush and Cheney nonsense....check it out if ya want... Welcome…Come on i... | | RE: I'm terrified | | by GhostWolf1776 08/04/2007 7:46 PM | | Yep, welcome home! But we're not the conspiracy theorists, it's the USG that's the real conspiracy theorist. With their 19 masterminds of incompetence, and their theories of of fire bringing down two ... | | RE: I clicked the "add new topic" button | | by politicstahl 07/20/2007 11:03 PM | | It occurs to me me I have left the wrong impression with the previous message. Insults have been received electronically, but scarcely in person, which parallels experience with the general public. ... | | RE: I clicked the "add new topic" button | | by politicstahl 07/20/2007 10:45 PM | | Thanks. To continue with the thread, I rejoined Mensa after many years just so I would have access to Mensans on the topic of 9/11. I gave a presentation at the Mensa rtegional Gathering in St. Lou... | | RE: I clicked the "add new topic" button | | by Host 07/20/2007 8:57 PM | | Yours was the first post in this forum so you did just the right thing. Add "new topic" means add a new thread. | | RE: I'm terrified | | by Host 07/20/2007 8:56 PM | | Welcome home. | | I'm terrified | | by Tucrakuh 07/19/2007 8:28 PM | | I discovered today that I have fallen into the ranks of those labeled as conspiracy theorists. For years I have doubted the official explanations of 9/11. It took me 6 years to decide to do some res... | | I clicked the "add new topic" button | | by politicstahl 07/19/2007 2:39 AM | | I clicked the "add new topic" button because I didn't see a button to add something to the Intelligent Arguments to support the Official Story thread. Does a "new topic" mean an addition to thi... | | Mineta testimony | | by mattnapa 07/16/2007 8:06 PM | | We have had some discussion of the Mineta testimony on conference calls recently, so I wanted to add some information that is not known by everyone. While the 9-11 commission did not include Mi... |
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Connieei
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kfkonrad
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| 07/20/2007 5:32 PM |
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OK... My feelings on this are that even though the video in Sept. Clues is pretty convincing, it could be that they too were altered, and since I don't have VHS from the day of, I can't be sure. Does anyone have confirmed VHS from the day of that they can let me borrow for viewing.
I am a little skeptical of everything I see on the internet. I think old VHS would put a lot of arguements to rest. |
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bald face lie
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| 07/23/2007 6:07 PM |
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From 911 Truth Seattle...
I appreciate your posts and yes I have watched september clues several times.
I also have watched what is beleived to be the original broadcasts of that day several times that are archived here.
http://www.archive.org/details/sept_11_tv_archive
You have made mention the "possibility of no planes" and "The issue here is that false images of planes were broadcast on 9/11."
What is your conclusion of the damage of 1 and 2? In your opinion what is the responsible conclusion of the average viewer of September Clues in regards to the visibile damage of 1 and 2?
Any media search will provide a great deal of moving and still images from many angles mainsream and independent media as well as everyday folks that were out that day.
This link in particular shows 44 clips compiled in one, several are not addressed in September clues.
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=9137602185444186626&q=44+9-11+videos&total=60&start=0&num=10&so=0&type=search&plindex=3
Are all these videos fakes? If one of these is authentic it disproves no planes. http://www.hereisnewyork.org. Stills and witnesses are all these fakes and or plants?
I have yet to see video or stills of any other objects (missles, small planes) hitting.
The broadcast issue you propose requires that technical employees (engineers, camera operators, switchers, directors, producers, reporters, etc.) were agents or complicit individuals and are still actively participating in the 9/11 coverup. Media complicity surround building 7 is astounding. This is a subject when talking about media complicity I am far more confident in.
I do not think the false images of planes is nearly as solid thus making it such a divide.
I have and still research the broadcast issues. I would appreicate any high resolution video if you have any. I do find the subject interesting, I also find releated subjects like Joe Dietl and Associates, his client list and The Woolworth building very interesting.
I believe I read in your former posts that you practice law. It is not up to me to prove planes, the burden of TV fakery/ No Planes proof still lies with you. Everyday criminal cases are dropped when a prosecutor does not have enough evidence to go to trial, even though they know the suspect is guilty.
When I say "mass awakening", I am talking about me being on the street talking with people handing out dvds and flyers talking to them about 9/11.
When I say "debunkers" I am not talking about myself, I encourage as much research as possible. I feel a responsibility to be as critical as possible and I think more work needs to be done with September Clues.
We know the official story is a lie.
>Guiliani forwarned
>NORAD
>Building 7
>Put Options
>Free Fall Speed
>Hijackers trained at US bases
>Mineta testimony
I find these issues far more effective when talking with people on the street and getting them to take another look at 9/11.
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Ningen
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| 07/23/2007 9:25 PM |
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"Are all these videos fakes? If one of these is authentic it disproves no planes."
It doesn't prove that false images were not broadcast on 9/11.
And these videos have not been authenticated, nor do they show actual impact.
Nice try, but all you are saying to me is that there is no authenticated evidence a plane hit.
"I have yet to see video or stills of any other objects (missles, small planes) hitting."
Maybe other objects didn't hit. September Clues 3 suggests a missile, but the image is faint. I would like higher resolution here.
"The broadcast issue you propose requires that technical employees (engineers, camera operators, switchers, directors, producers, reporters, etc.) were agents or complicit individuals and are still actively participating in the 9/11 coverup. Media complicity surround building 7 is astounding. This is a subject when talking about media complicity I am far more confident in.
I do not think the false images of planes is nearly as solid thus making it such a divide."
I wonder if September Clues exaggerates the scale of complicity. Many of the people are looking at or are influenced by what's on the screen.
You have not addressed at all why you think the images addressed in September Clues are real, other than that it couldn't be done. You don't know that.
"It is not up to me to prove planes, the burden of TV fakery/ No Planes proof still lies with you. "
Wow, I am really surprised to hear you say this.
No, it is the government's burden to prove planes. Their proof is these cartoons and a few pieces of physically impossible debris, and diisinformation about black boxes that according to FBI were not found.
I consider this case a slam dunk. Although spoliation of evidence, like BBC's "cockup," might make things more difficult.
"I would appreicate any high resolution video if you have any."
I don't have any.
Are you saying that arguments in September Clues fail because of insufficient resolution? Which ones?
"What is your conclusion of the damage of 1 and 2?"
It looks like a plane hit.
"In your opinion what is the responsible conclusion of the average viewer of September Clues in regards to the visibile damage of 1 and 2?"
Something made damage that looks like a plane in the pictures that are available. I don't know how it was done.
Maybe a plane did hit. But where's all the debris that would be left outside the building, and why did they fake videos if they could just film the plane?
What do mean by "responsible conclusion"? Do you mean logical, or reasonable?
"When I say 'mass awakening', I am talking about me being on the street talking with people handing out dvds and flyers talking to them about 9/11."
Fine, talk to them, but think about what Kevin Barrett said:
"If another 9/11 happens, many people will be staying home from work gawking at the tube, being programmed by a carefully scripted TV psy-op. The rest of us will be out on the streets, covering the entire nation with INSIDE JOB? signs. When the sheeple emerge from their TV-blighted hovels into the clear light of realitya nation completely covered with INSIDE JOB? signsthe psy-op will be undone, the chains will be broken, and there will be a mass exodus from Platos cave. The war that will not end in our lifetimes will have ended."
Why not protect people from being influenced by television in the first place?
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kfkonrad
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| 07/24/2007 1:51 AM |
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You bring up a good point Ningen. Like one gentleman said in One Nation Under Seige, (paraphrased) "people should be thinking when watching the news and be able to critically think about what they are being told". That's not an exact quote, and I'm adding my own words in there, but that's the reality. One of the biggest problems we have as a "free" country is the controlled media. There are other problems as well. Ones that I'm not sure I want to bring up on this forum. But I whole heartidly agree, people should learn to be critical again of what they are shown on tv. Seems like we don't teach that anymore.
On 9/11/01 I was at work on a jobsite. Myself and all the other guys heard the whole thing on the radio. The news broadcasters on the radio made it sound like the Pentagon was in ruins. To be honest, I looked forward to seeing the devastation, but when I got home... I saw a smaller hole then expected, and no evidence of a plane. I was dissapointed. Same thing with flight 93. I was confused... "Where's the plane?" I asked myself. But I kept quiet about my thoughts and feelings for years.
My only regret. |
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bald face lie
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| 07/24/2007 10:20 AM |
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"Why not protect people from being influenced by television in the first place?"
I agree with the what you are saying here, I think that we have different opinions on how to do that.
We could point to several instances and not only pertaining to 9/11.
One thing I would like to be doing other than posting on forums is getting a truth action crew with a media specific package of information.
We go to TV, Print and Radio with Cameras of our own and ask to speak to the news directors and reporters, the talking heads.
Ask them on film about building 7 and some of the other obvious what are now mainstream issues they have yet to address. My guess is that they will not say anything or be totally oblivious to something as stark as building 7. We can then post that on youtube with captions like "this is who you get your news from" and back it with video from that day and footage of that. We can then download it to an ipod and have it with us while we are on the street talking with people and showing them why they should not trust the TV.
This is a similar idea to what some of the We Are Change folks have done with Alan Combs
http://youtube.com/watch?v=euCYLQ_GlOo
I think something like this would be far more effective than telling people not to beleive the media because of no planes at this point. |
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kfkonrad
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| 07/24/2007 1:15 PM |
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| True dat... |
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